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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Apr 13, 2024 20:59:48 GMT
Well that was extremely disappointing and I left feeling rather deflated knowing another season in this league awaits in August. Fair play to Cal for thanking every supporter personally after the game. The players looked as deflated as I felt after the game. First 20 or so we managed to get the early goal and disrupt their style and didn’t allow them to boss the midfield . Then the opposite happened they came into the game and started to boss it. We looked in need of half time which arrived. Ok we had a good chance to make it 2-0 which would surely have made a difference but we didn’t take it. No idea what was said at half time but considering we needed the win . We offered absolutely nothing for 10-15 minutes. In face we only got going when they eased off at 3-1 then we had a good spell after the Lord Mayors show . Ok we know that it’s not a defeat against one of the leagues best outfits that’s cost us a play off spot but other results and a poor 2024 so far. All that considered we were spineless gutless lacked any creativity of note for 20/25 minutes second half in a must win game which was very disappointing particularly after the demolition job against a poor outfit last week. It’s very frustrating to stand there watching us playing games of head tennis 10 yard either side of halfway line with the players we’ve got . I know the debate has been lingering on here for a while but the tippy tappy approach in midfield just results in us being over run most of the time . Look at all the sides who are there or thereabouts . Cal needs to think about this and player recruitment over the summer . We are likely going to loose Williams and Stanway which will be big holes to fill. We certainly need to adopt a different strategy as current one just doesn’t work . Again respect to Cal . Today I felt we had lot of supporters at the game who give the impression that the 2 nd half display was ok and mid table in this league will do. Everyone will need to take stock and rally around so we can go again budget wise in August. Deflated tonight
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Post by Lobster on Apr 13, 2024 21:05:25 GMT
Got another two years of him. Same as the bloke who gave him this contract. So disappointed to be stuck in this awful league for another year but the truth of it is that we have been nowhere near good enough losing to some woeful teams who get hammered most weeks by some of the more competent teams in this division. Player recruitment this summer been abysmal. The likes of Burton, Connor Evans, Goodson are clear examples of this. Were they scouted by the manager or just signed because they were available? The tactics are so rigid and we’ve seen some appalling game management in recent months. Also, forget about entertainment on a Saturday at CH1 because a lot of the games have been mind numbing. A good proportion of the senior pros who are not doubt on the higher salaries have not performed all season have not delivered like Whitehouse, Weeks and Taylor. Is it down to them or is it the system they are being asked to fit into? We’ve seen square pegs trying to be fitted into round holes for months. It has been a truly woeful season and now the board must really sit down and make a huge decision because with the better players likely to leave and the appalling player recruitment in the summer is Calum the right man to take us into next season? who are we going to get as manager then there are not many options out there Ironically, three former managers of ours have had great seasons. Bern & Jonno - Radcliffe confirmed as NPL champions today and will be in the same league as us next season Neil Young - could be joining them in getting promoted as they should make the playoffs. They were midtable in the league below when he arrived Steve Watson - done a great job to keep Darlo up. Saw them at Southport not long after he took over there and they looked terrible Not calling for a managerial change, just interesting to see managers doing well after being sacked/parting ways with us.
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Post by agl on Apr 13, 2024 21:33:02 GMT
I honestly don't think that was any better than Bishops Stortford, first away game. Plenty of endeavour but a real lack of quality and flair. Peers wasn't good enough first time round, and still isn't. Caton almost as bad. I don't understand why Weeks is played so deep...if he's here next season get him up the pitch. We were also uncharacteristically sloppy at the back...Glendon put in a half arsed challenge on the edge of the box in the build up to the first, we switched off for a free kick leading to the second and Stanway spilled one for the third. I'm not expecting a mass clear out but on that showing Burke is the only one I'd lose sleep about losing. Brackley probably my nearest game but not sure I can put myself through that again. A crappy little club that's incapable of organising a segregated game ...appalling catering and facilities.
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Post by hughie on Apr 13, 2024 21:36:23 GMT
Also on the managerial front Craig Mahon doing well at Curzon.
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Post by tonya on Apr 13, 2024 22:00:59 GMT
Utterly depressing though not surprising. I think it will be third time lucky though for Cal next season. If not it will be a parting of the ways simply because fans expectations, (and his), won't accept another year in this league. Our home ground needs to become a fortress. I watched Bath today. They are no great shakes but you sensed they owned the ground and home advantage was the difference.
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Post by btb on Apr 13, 2024 22:05:08 GMT
Utterly depressing though not surprising. I think it will be third time lucky though for Cal next season. If not it will be a parting of the ways simply because fans expectations, (and his), won't accept another year in this league. Our home ground needs to become a fortress. I watched Bath today. They are no great shakes but you sensed they owned the ground and home advantage was the difference. And that could be a big problem. Get the feeling Cal and Co don’t like playing at home fuelled by the imaginary toxic atmosphere
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Post by Anders on Apr 13, 2024 23:44:27 GMT
I honestly don't think that was any better than Bishops Stortford, first away game. Plenty of endeavour but a real lack of quality and flair. Peers wasn't good enough first time round, and still isn't. Caton almost as bad. I don't understand why Weeks is played so deep...if he's here next season get him up the pitch. We were also uncharacteristically sloppy at the back...Glendon put in a half arsed challenge on the edge of the box in the build up to the first, we switched off for a free kick leading to the second and Stanway spilled one for the third. I'm not expecting a mass clear out but on that showing Burke is the only one I'd lose sleep about losing. Brackley probably my nearest game but not sure I can put myself through that again. A crappy little club that's incapable of organising a segregated game ...appalling catering and facilities. You have to give clubs like Brackley plenty of credit on the pitch, but off it I’ll admit I’m really sick of them, pokey little buggers with small fanbases who are totally up themselves. It’s most of this league. When we came through after reformation most of them were quite decent and friendly, but this lot are a dreadful bunch on the whole. The change is startling. Can't believe anyone seriously wants to keep hanging around down here, would much prefer to struggle in the league above.
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Post by agl on Apr 14, 2024 3:29:39 GMT
I honestly don't think that was any better than Bishops Stortford, first away game. Plenty of endeavour but a real lack of quality and flair. Peers wasn't good enough first time round, and still isn't. Caton almost as bad. I don't understand why Weeks is played so deep...if he's here next season get him up the pitch. We were also uncharacteristically sloppy at the back...Glendon put in a half arsed challenge on the edge of the box in the build up to the first, we switched off for a free kick leading to the second and Stanway spilled one for the third. I'm not expecting a mass clear out but on that showing Burke is the only one I'd lose sleep about losing. Brackley probably my nearest game but not sure I can put myself through that again. A crappy little club that's incapable of organising a segregated game ...appalling catering and facilities. You have to give clubs like Brackley plenty of credit on the pitch, but off it I’ll admit I’m really sick of them, pokey little buggers with small fanbases who are totally up themselves. It’s most of this league. When we came through after reformation most of them were quite decent and friendly, but this lot are a dreadful bunch on the whole. The change is startling. Can't believe anyone seriously wants to keep hanging around down here, would much prefer to struggle in the league above. I suppose after what happened last May you can't blame them for treating us with contempt. The "catering" yesterday comprised a hot dog, or a cheese/ ham sandwich and a couple of shit beers in bottles. Marked contrast to Bishops, who put on excellent burgers and brought in a beer stand. Not as if Brackley didn't have plenty of time to prepare for a segregated game. They don't deserve having 300 away fans paying 15 quid a head.
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Post by tooth on Apr 14, 2024 5:18:15 GMT
Also on the managerial front Craig Mahon doing well at Curzon. with lakelands players
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Post by leedsutd234 on Apr 14, 2024 7:46:14 GMT
We were solid top five at Christmas this season, to be fair. Been a woeful 2024 so far. I know but from a slow start. I want to see us be top 5 from Aug - and I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he had learned from this years post Christmas shitshow and would be able to avoid repetition. The other thing he needs to sort is our woeful ability to win the big games. Even if we make playoffs next season I want to have some faith that we stand a chance of getting past the first hurdle rather than fizzling out like a wet fart. I'm trying to think when we last won a big game and have to back 50 years to when we neat Leeds and Newcastle.
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Post by leedsutd234 on Apr 14, 2024 8:07:12 GMT
Utterly depressing though not surprising. I think it will be third time lucky though for Cal next season. If not it will be a parting of the ways simply because fans expectations, (and his), won't accept another year in this league. Our home ground needs to become a fortress. I watched Bath today. They are no great shakes but you sensed they owned the ground and home advantage was the difference. Calum will only be here next season because his contract makes him unsackable.
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Post by boughtonblue on Apr 14, 2024 8:23:01 GMT
Utterly depressing though not surprising. I think it will be third time lucky though for Cal next season. If not it will be a parting of the ways simply because fans expectations, (and his), won't accept another year in this league. Our home ground needs to become a fortress. I watched Bath today. They are no great shakes but you sensed they owned the ground and home advantage was the difference. Calum will only be here next season because his contract makes him unsackable. That's a load of bollocks. He won't stay if not wanted. I remember a mention of a clause in his contract that protects the club if that scenario arises. A Leeds utd fan wtf🫣
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 14, 2024 8:30:48 GMT
I know but from a slow start. I want to see us be top 5 from Aug - and I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he had learned from this years post Christmas shitshow and would be able to avoid repetition. The other thing he needs to sort is our woeful ability to win the big games. Even if we make playoffs next season I want to have some faith that we stand a chance of getting past the first hurdle rather than fizzling out like a wet fart. I'm trying to think when we last won a big game and have to back 50 years to when we neat Leeds and Newcastle. Who did you want to win?
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Post by proudblue on Apr 14, 2024 8:32:02 GMT
I know but from a slow start. I want to see us be top 5 from Aug - and I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he had learned from this years post Christmas shitshow and would be able to avoid repetition. The other thing he needs to sort is our woeful ability to win the big games. Even if we make playoffs next season I want to have some faith that we stand a chance of getting past the first hurdle rather than fizzling out like a wet fart. I'm trying to think when we last won a big game and have to back 50 years to when we neat Leeds and Newcastle. Depends I guess on what you define as a big game, but can think of plenty we’ve won in the last 50 years. Matches such as the 3-2 win over Preston in 1994, a few promotion clinchers such as Scarborough and Boston when we got the win needed to go up and memorable cup successes such as winning away to Wrexham in the FA Cup third round in 1987. Not disputing though that there’s been plenty of disappointment in such games as well during the last few decades.
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Post by yoshimitsu on Apr 14, 2024 8:39:57 GMT
We won a big game away to Hartlepool in the FA Cup this very season.
Short memories?
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Apr 14, 2024 8:41:38 GMT
Lame effort second half. Rethink needed. Weeks doing fancy pirouettes to look good in the middle of the pitch in that situation was pathetic. A bit of heat of the moment blame maybe, but I'm tired of him now. Been a common theme of his style this season. So much more effective previous season when he played further up the pitch.
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Post by agl on Apr 14, 2024 8:50:17 GMT
Been a common theme of his style this season. So much more effective previous season when he played further up the pitch. Ridiculously deep yesterday. No influence on the game. In the second half he was reduced to chipping aimless balls forward which were easy fodder for their central defenders.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 14, 2024 9:12:41 GMT
So much more effective previous season when he played further up the pitch. Ridiculously deep yesterday. No influence on the game. In the second half he was reduced to chipping aimless balls forward which were easy fodder for their central defenders. Was that his fault, or more a combination of lack of movement and passing options?
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Post by agl on Apr 14, 2024 9:19:48 GMT
Ridiculously deep yesterday. No influence on the game. In the second half he was reduced to chipping aimless balls forward which were easy fodder for their central defenders. Was that his fault, or more a combination of lack of movement and passing options? Yes, a bit of both. Peers' movement wasn't great and the lack of wide options certainly forced Weeks to try to go down the middle.
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Post by deesideblue1 on Apr 14, 2024 9:34:35 GMT
No issue with the model when we’re top 3 at Christmas…..
Said if before, let’s up the CFU to £5 a month minimum as a starter and do better rewards for boost a budget. Let’s be honest, no one’s arsed about a pin badge, t shirt etc.
Let’s go a bit more enticing for more reasonable amounts of donations to get the money up front asap for transfers.
Or we sell Burke for £200k….
Does Stanway not get us much in compensation?
Either way, we all need to be pulling towards this model, not crying about us being skint or not having a top5 budget.
Cal’s got himself a big summer window and the start of next season to implement something new, we all need to be backing him.
And if he starts shite in 10 games, I’m sure he’ll say himself that’ll do, but the under current of toxicity against him from the backwards, older fans, is driving him away anyway.
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 14, 2024 9:35:50 GMT
No issue with the model when we’re top 3 at Christmas….. Said if before, let’s up the CFU to £5 a month minimum as a starter and do better rewards for boost a budget. Let’s be honest, no one’s arsed about a pin badge, t shirt etc. Let’s go a bit more enticing for more reasonable amounts of donations to get the money up front asap for transfers. Or we sell Burke for £200k…. Does Stanway not get us much in compensation? Either way, we all need to be pulling towards this model, not crying about us being skint or not having a top5 budget. Cal’s got himself a big summer window and the start of next season to implement something new, we all need to be backing him. And if he starts shite in 10 games, I’m sure he’ll say himself that’ll do, but the under current of toxicity against him from the backwards, older fans, is driving him away anyway. Nail on the head.
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Post by nytram on Apr 14, 2024 9:38:10 GMT
If Boston lose to Banbury on Tuesday. If Spennymoor lose on Saturday. If Boston and Hereford draw on Saturday. If South Shields lose on Saturday. If Chester win by at least 2 goals if South Shields lose by one on Saturday.
If!
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Post by btb on Apr 14, 2024 9:40:29 GMT
No issue with the model when we’re top 3 at Christmas….. Said if before, let’s up the CFU to £5 a month minimum as a starter and do better rewards for boost a budget. Let’s be honest, no one’s arsed about a pin badge, t shirt etc. Let’s go a bit more enticing for more reasonable amounts of donations to get the money up front asap for transfers. Or we sell Burke for £200k…. Does Stanway not get us much in compensation? Either way, we all need to be pulling towards this model, not crying about us being skint or not having a top5 budget. Cal’s got himself a big summer window and the start of next season to implement something new, we all need to be backing him. And if he starts shite in 10 games, I’m sure he’ll say himself that’ll do, but the under current of toxicity against him from the backwards, older fans, is driving him away anyway. Where is this backward under current of toxicity that is driving Cal away? I go on the terrace where it’s overwhelmingly supportive so maybe I’m not seeing it, is it a main stand thing? Is it social media?
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Post by deesideblue1 on Apr 14, 2024 9:45:25 GMT
No issue with the model when we’re top 3 at Christmas….. Said if before, let’s up the CFU to £5 a month minimum as a starter and do better rewards for boost a budget. Let’s be honest, no one’s arsed about a pin badge, t shirt etc. Let’s go a bit more enticing for more reasonable amounts of donations to get the money up front asap for transfers. Or we sell Burke for £200k…. Does Stanway not get us much in compensation? Either way, we all need to be pulling towards this model, not crying about us being skint or not having a top5 budget. Cal’s got himself a big summer window and the start of next season to implement something new, we all need to be backing him. And if he starts shite in 10 games, I’m sure he’ll say himself that’ll do, but the under current of toxicity against him from the backwards, older fans, is driving him away anyway. Where is this backward under current of toxicity that is driving Cal away? I go on the terrace where it’s overwhelmingly supportive so maybe I’m not seeing it, is it a main stand thing? Is it social media? There’s an element of this fan base which have had it in for him from the start. For reasons like, his age, experience, the fact he’s never played, his interview style, signings - all of it. If you can’t see that then you’re part of the problem. Take away the fact he’s a Chester lad, he’s earned another crack next year.
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Post by agl on Apr 14, 2024 9:49:10 GMT
No issue with the model when we’re top 3 at Christmas….. Said if before, let’s up the CFU to £5 a month minimum as a starter and do better rewards for boost a budget. Let’s be honest, no one’s arsed about a pin badge, t shirt etc. Let’s go a bit more enticing for more reasonable amounts of donations to get the money up front asap for transfers. Or we sell Burke for £200k…. Does Stanway not get us much in compensation? Either way, we all need to be pulling towards this model, not crying about us being skint or not having a top5 budget. Cal’s got himself a big summer window and the start of next season to implement something new, we all need to be backing him. And if he starts shite in 10 games, I’m sure he’ll say himself that’ll do, but the under current of toxicity against him from the backwards, older fans, is driving him away anyway. Nail on the head. I think we have to nail this myth about toxicity. Seeing the reaction Cal got at full time yesterday did leave me thinking how Bern and Jonno would have been treated. He knows he's not done well enough this season. Some of the people who still have heads up his arse were predicting at the start of the season that we'd win the league. Local lad, nice guy, still learning, whatever, he's going to be judged on results. I think he's man enough to accept that and not be "driven away". 11th in NLN is deeply disappointing to say the least.
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Post by btb on Apr 14, 2024 9:51:19 GMT
Where is this backward under current of toxicity that is driving Cal away? I go on the terrace where it’s overwhelmingly supportive so maybe I’m not seeing it, is it a main stand thing? Is it social media? There’s an element of this fan base which have had it in for him from the start. For reasons like, his age, experience, the fact he’s never played, his interview style, signings - all of it. If you can’t see that then you’re part of the problem. Take away the fact he’s a Chester lad, he’s earned another crack next year. Part of the problem, behave yourself! There were people, I wasn’t one, who strangely did have it in for him from the start but the vast majority came around after the first season. I’m just not seeing toxicity. Now, B&J had toxic as did JM. It just stinks as a narrative to me.
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Post by Al on Apr 14, 2024 9:59:03 GMT
Where is this backward under current of toxicity that is driving Cal away? I go on the terrace where it’s overwhelmingly supportive so maybe I’m not seeing it, is it a main stand thing? Is it social media? There’s an element of this fan base which have had it in for him from the start. For reasons like, his age, experience, the fact he’s never played, his interview style, signings - all of it. If you can’t see that then you’re part of the problem. Take away the fact he’s a Chester lad, he’s earned another crack next year. "if you can't see that then you're part of the problem" Wow. Just. Wow. Utter garbage that is, supporters have been very supportive of Cal and his tenure over the last 2 years. This season has been a failure, he's admitted that himself, we all see and are all entitled to opinions on where we think we've gone wrong and all have opinions on how we feel it could be better going forwards. But fuck me, attitudes like yours and others on here who cannot take one little bit of criticism aimed at Cals tactics and results this season are just as toxic. I'm sick of seeing the same names pop up time and time again, who offer no alternative to constructive debate, who just label those who question and discuss as 'toxic'
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 14, 2024 10:04:30 GMT
I think we have to nail this myth about toxicity. Seeing the reaction Cal got at full time yesterday did leave me thinking how Bern and Jonno would have been treated. He knows he's not done well enough this season. Some of the people who still have heads up his arse were predicting at the start of the season that we'd win the league. Local lad, nice guy, still learning, whatever, he's going to be judged on results. I think he's man enough to accept that and not be "driven away". 11th in NLN is deeply disappointing to say the least. The fans who went yesterday I very much doubt are toxic, like most of our away support. I mean certain people on here. The usual suspects the ones who never post when we’re doing well or winning games. Only ever come on to slag the management (whoever it is not just Cal) B&J much worse. And slag the board off and the fan owned model. Facebook much worse than Deva Chat. Like Deesideblue said you could understand if next season we’re struggling in October then I’m sure even he would think it’s not going to plan. But I don’t think that will happen. I’m confident he will put a side together which will emulate last season and hopefully go one better.
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Post by Al on Apr 14, 2024 10:10:54 GMT
I think we have to nail this myth about toxicity. Seeing the reaction Cal got at full time yesterday did leave me thinking how Bern and Jonno would have been treated. He knows he's not done well enough this season. Some of the people who still have heads up his arse were predicting at the start of the season that we'd win the league. Local lad, nice guy, still learning, whatever, he's going to be judged on results. I think he's man enough to accept that and not be "driven away". 11th in NLN is deeply disappointing to say the least. The fans who went yesterday I very much doubt are toxic, like most of our away support. I mean certain people on here. The usual suspects the ones who never post when we’re doing well or winning games. Only ever come on to slag the management (whoever it is not just Cal) B&J much worse. And slag the board off and the fan owned model. Facebook much worse than Deva Chat. Like Deesideblue said you could understand if next season we’re struggling in October then I’m sure even he would think it’s not going to plan. But I don’t think that will happen. I’m confident he will put a side together which will emulate last season and hopefully go one better. But then Cal doesn't do social media does he.. No chants at home games at Cal, nobody screaming for him to go, no chants of "you don't know what you're doing" etc. You keep calling home supporters toxic, where is this toxicity? On Facebook?
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 14, 2024 10:13:21 GMT
The fans who went yesterday I very much doubt are toxic, like most of our away support. I mean certain people on here. The usual suspects the ones who never post when we’re doing well or winning games. Only ever come on to slag the management (whoever it is not just Cal) B&J much worse. And slag the board off and the fan owned model. Facebook much worse than Deva Chat. Like Deesideblue said you could understand if next season we’re struggling in October then I’m sure even he would think it’s not going to plan. But I don’t think that will happen. I’m confident he will put a side together which will emulate last season and hopefully go one better. But then Cal doesn't do social media does he.. No chants at home games at Cal, nobody screaming for him to go, no chants of "you don't know what you're doing" etc. You keep calling home supporters toxic, where is this toxicity? On Facebook? Just said where. Believe he gets abuse from plenty of inbreds in East Stand.
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