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Post by leedsutd234 on Apr 9, 2024 9:09:08 GMT
Over the past few weeks, I've spoken to several people and they've told me what they think our playing budget is. The first was Wayne Salked, the Curzon chairman, who was chatting with numerous people in the Legend's Lounge before our match. He stated with an air of authority that our budget is 5th highest in our league. On Saturday I mentioned this to our Commercial Manager, Albert? who was standing near me at Gloucester. He said no it's somewhere between 7th and 10th. After the match Calum came over to us to chat and he told us that ours was bottom half. The truth is probably the middle one but we definitely we need a bigger budget to get out of this dreadful league.
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Post by kyle on Apr 9, 2024 9:34:45 GMT
I do not believe that our budget is bottom half with the attendances we get.
As a simplistic example, if we get 1,000 more on average for home games, that's £250-300k more income. Are there multiple teams in this league where a sugar daddy is covering this, plus more?
That's a lowball estimate, and without considering a larger fanbase should translate into larger revenue from advertising, merchandise, 5050 tickets etc.
However if the budget is truly uncompetitive, then there are obvious solutions. CFU membership should be £10 a month (or more) and add £20 on to season tickets.
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Post by Imperial on Apr 9, 2024 9:35:37 GMT
Posted something simple on another thread but at the risk of repeating myself, it doesn’t matter. Nobody really knows what other clubs’ budgets are so all we can do is back the club as much as we can each afford to in order to give us the club the biggest budget possible & therefore the best possible chance of doing well on the pitch. Everyone else’s budget is irrelevant.
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Post by yoshimitsu on Apr 9, 2024 9:48:48 GMT
Posted something simple on another thread but at the risk of repeating myself, it doesn’t matter. Nobody really knows what other clubs’ budgets are so all we can do is back the club as much as we can each afford to in order to give us the club the biggest budget possible & therefore the best possible chance of doing well on the pitch. Everyone else’s budget is irrelevant. Agreed. A bigger budget helps obviously but is no golden ticket. If indeed our budget is mid table then we’ve been doing excellently and arguably should be guaranteed play offs by now had performances not dropped off. We’ve no god given right to be up out of this league. We have to work work with what we’ve got. I believe we’ll get there (promoted) sooner or later.
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 9, 2024 9:50:04 GMT
Are there multiple teams in this league where a sugar daddy is covering this, plus more? Yes
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 9, 2024 9:55:13 GMT
Scunthorpe Buxton Kings Lynn South Shields Brackley Spennymoor Darlington Boston Hereford Tamworth
All bigger budgets
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Post by agl on Apr 9, 2024 10:00:08 GMT
Are there multiple teams in this league where a sugar daddy is covering this, plus more? Yes Might be easier to list the ones that don't have one wealthy owner. Just look at the attendances of some of these clubs. I don't think the way forward for us is to increase the cost of CFU membership. It's not as easy to just increase by, say, £8 and assume that means 8 x existing CFU membership in terms of extra revenue. You'd inevitably lose a few and in any case it's only going to bring in a max of about 16k anyway. What we need is an imaginative sponsorship deal... unfortunately as we don't own the stadium it's difficult to exploit what should be our biggest earning asset.
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 9, 2024 10:01:49 GMT
Tamworth make a fortune off their academy and 3G pitch
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Post by kyle on Apr 9, 2024 10:04:40 GMT
Scunthorpe Buxton Kings Lynn South Shields Brackley Spennymoor Darlington Boston Hereford Tamworth All bigger budgets Assuming you are correct, then we should take some action. CFU membership is an obvious cash cow, how it is still the same as 10 years ago I don't know (I appreciate people can choose to pay more). Season tickets are very reasonable (I am a holder), you could put them up quite a lot without affecting sales. A £20, £50, £100 increase wouldn't put me off renewing. The though of having this season again and again does
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 9, 2024 10:08:36 GMT
Scunthorpe Buxton Kings Lynn South Shields Brackley Spennymoor Darlington Boston Hereford Tamworth All bigger budgets Assuming you are correct, then we should take some action. CFU membership is an obvious cash cow, how it is still the same as 10 years ago I don't know (I appreciate people can choose to pay more). Season tickets are very reasonable (I am a holder), you could put them up quite a lot without affecting sales. A £20, £50, £100 increase wouldn't put me off renewing. The though of having this season again and again does I am correct. Trust me. If you charge more for season tickets you have to charge more for match day admission too. Could put the floating fans off and people would no doubt moan about that too and rightly so to be fair, certain limit you want to/should pay for NLN football
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Post by kyle on Apr 9, 2024 10:10:07 GMT
Might be easier to list the ones that don't have one wealthy owner. Just look at the attendances of some of these clubs. I don't think the way forward for us is to increase the cost of CFU membership. It's not as easy to just increase by, say, £8 and assume that means 8 x existing CFU membership in terms of extra revenue. You'd inevitably lose a few and in any case it's only going to bring in a max of about 16k anyway. What we need is an imaginative sponsorship deal... unfortunately as we don't own the stadium it's difficult to exploit what should be our biggest earning asset. 1,000 CFU members paying £1 per month = £12k 1,000 paying £5 per month = £60k
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Post by kyle on Apr 9, 2024 10:12:02 GMT
Assuming you are correct, then we should take some action. CFU membership is an obvious cash cow, how it is still the same as 10 years ago I don't know (I appreciate people can choose to pay more). Season tickets are very reasonable (I am a holder), you could put them up quite a lot without affecting sales. A £20, £50, £100 increase wouldn't put me off renewing. The though of having this season again and again does I am correct. Trust me. If you charge more for season tickets you have to charge more for match day admission too. Could put the floating fans off and people would no doubt moan about that too. Why do you "have to charge more for match day"? Surely a season ticket in theory could be the exact same price as 23 matchday tickets?
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Post by Matt on Apr 9, 2024 10:16:08 GMT
I would hope with the consistent crowds of over 2,000 and the FA Cup run we should be able to have somewhat a slightly bigger budget next season, the main target being going all out for the striker that we need.
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 9, 2024 10:16:38 GMT
I am correct. Trust me. If you charge more for season tickets you have to charge more for match day admission too. Could put the floating fans off and people would no doubt moan about that too. Why do you "have to charge more for match day"? Surely a season ticket in theory could be the exact same price as 23 matchday tickets? A lot of people probably buy season tickets because it’s better value than paying each game. If that’s no longer the case and paying the same as on the day then why would them people buy them?
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Post by kyle on Apr 9, 2024 10:23:17 GMT
Why do you "have to charge more for match day"? Surely a season ticket in theory could be the exact same price as 23 matchday tickets? A lot of people probably buy season tickets because it’s better value than paying each game. If that’s no longer the case and paying the same as on the day then why would them people buy them? Guarantee seat, first in the queue for cup tickets, and because they want to see their team win. I'm not saying we SHOULD make it the same as 23 matchday tickets, but the gap between that and what the season tickets are today could be closed. Most season ticket holders are hardcore fans, right? The £30k fine has had a big impact we are told. Putting ST prices up £20 would almost cover that. Would you not renew for £20 more? Less than £1 per game?
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Post by boughtonblue on Apr 9, 2024 10:23:32 GMT
Why do you "have to charge more for match day"? Surely a season ticket in theory could be the exact same price as 23 matchday tickets? A lot of people probably buy season tickets because it’s better value than paying each game. If that’s no longer the case and paying the same as on the day then why would them people buy them? İ get mine because it's obvious the club prefer the money up front so they can plan for the season ahead. Seals lottery needs another push, boost the budget again make a big effort. Football is all about money even at our level. But I think we have had probably our best ever playing budget in the last two seasons with the club clearly being run well. Some posters on here just need to get there head around that there ar sugar daddies at this level and below.
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 9, 2024 10:27:33 GMT
A lot of people probably buy season tickets because it’s better value than paying each game. If that’s no longer the case and paying the same as on the day then why would them people buy them? Guarantee seat, first in the queue for cup tickets, and because they want to see their team win. I'm not saying we SHOULD make it the same as 23 matchday tickets, but the gap between that and what the season tickets are today could be closed. Most season ticket holders are hardcore fans, right? The £30k fine has had a big impact we are told. Putting ST prices up £20 would almost cover that. Would you not renew for £20 more? Less than £1 per game? That’s why I said a lot of people probably buy one for the reason I said. I get mine for the reasons you said, plus rather the club had the guaranteed money. But not everyone does for that reason. I didn’t say i wouldn’t renew for £20 more. Looking at the bigger picture.
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Post by spartacus on Apr 9, 2024 10:29:36 GMT
Next season we will not have the effect of the Brackly game. It is easier said than done but two or three years of a good FA Cup run could make an enormous difference, as would selling on a star player. Didn't Shrewsburys rise start when they sold Joe Hart?
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Post by agl on Apr 9, 2024 10:34:56 GMT
Next season we will not have the effect of the Brackly game. It is easier said than done but two or three years of a good FA Cup run could make an enormous difference, as would selling on a star player. Didn't Shrewsburys rise start when they sold Joe Hart? That's very rare these days. Bigger clubs tend to snap up promising players much earlier (then discard) rather than waiting for them to develop. The fact that we are NLN is also a disadvantage...the step up being that much greater to FL clubs than it was even when we were NL. We can but hope. Burke is obviously the pick of the bunch but don't see anyone else with sell on potential.
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Post by Lon on Apr 9, 2024 10:36:21 GMT
A lot of people probably buy season tickets because it’s better value than paying each game. If that’s no longer the case and paying the same as on the day then why would them people buy them? Guarantee seat, first in the queue for cup tickets, and because they want to see their team win. I'm not saying we SHOULD make it the same as 23 matchday tickets, but the gap between that and what the season tickets are today could be closed. Most season ticket holders are hardcore fans, right? The £30k fine has had a big impact we are told. Putting ST prices up £20 would almost cover that. Would you not renew for £20 more? Less than £1 per game? Season tickets went up this season by about that much anyway
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Post by waggoner on Apr 9, 2024 11:05:01 GMT
I do not believe that our budget is bottom half with the attendances we get. As a simplistic example, if we get 1,000 more on average for home games, that's £250-300k more income. Are there multiple teams in this league where a sugar daddy is covering this, plus more? That's a lowball estimate, and without considering a larger fanbase should translate into larger revenue from advertising, merchandise, 5050 tickets etc. However if the budget is truly uncompetitive, then there are obvious solutions. CFU membership should be £10 a month (or more) and add £20 on to season tickets. How many people will join if it’s a tenner a month?
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Post by waggoner on Apr 9, 2024 11:09:50 GMT
Scunthorpe Buxton Kings Lynn South Shields Brackley Spennymoor Darlington Boston Hereford Tamworth All bigger budgets I said this a while back. I thought that 8 clubs have a bigger budget than us but if you are right then we are 11th. Not competitive really
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Post by deesideblue1 on Apr 9, 2024 11:16:54 GMT
£1 a month is just a token gesture. And yes I know we can opt in more but it’s easier to just up the membership.
I would say 99% of the fan base can afford £5 a month.
It’s a coffee a month. A pint. A meal deal when when you can’t be arsed making a sandwich.
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 9, 2024 11:22:09 GMT
£1 a month is just a token gesture. And yes I know we can opt in more but it’s easier to just up the membership. I would say 99% of the fan base can afford £5 a month. It’s a coffee a month. A pint. A meal deal when when you can’t be arsed making a sandwich. Agree. You can pay whatever you like but does need to be a minimum of £5
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Post by kyle on Apr 9, 2024 11:22:57 GMT
I do not believe that our budget is bottom half with the attendances we get. As a simplistic example, if we get 1,000 more on average for home games, that's £250-300k more income. Are there multiple teams in this league where a sugar daddy is covering this, plus more? That's a lowball estimate, and without considering a larger fanbase should translate into larger revenue from advertising, merchandise, 5050 tickets etc. However if the budget is truly uncompetitive, then there are obvious solutions. CFU membership should be £10 a month (or more) and add £20 on to season tickets. How many people will join if it’s a tenner a month? Almost all of the people that currently are members. Come on, it's the same price today as when we reformed. Name one other thing that has not gone up in 10 years
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Post by league2 on Apr 9, 2024 11:38:18 GMT
Teams in the league below and even one below that are paying bigger wages than we can afford. This summer you will see lots of the current team leave and I guess young players come in. Thats where we are as a club . The 2,500 crowds we have been getting most of the extra fans have been free tickets or kids free tickets so we are not making any money from it ,its all about getting fans for the future
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Post by B Block Blue on Apr 9, 2024 11:39:06 GMT
How many people will join if it’s a tenner a month? Almost all of the people that currently are members. Come on, it's the same price today as when we reformed. Name one other thing that has not gone up in 10 yearsThe team.
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Post by weareblues on Apr 9, 2024 11:46:03 GMT
£1 a month is just a token gesture. And yes I know we can opt in more but it’s easier to just up the membership. I would say 99% of the fan base can afford £5 a month. It’s a coffee a month. A pint. A meal deal when when you can’t be arsed making a sandwich. Glad people are wising up to this been saying it for awhile now the extra funds we'd gain from it would be massive for us & If we want this model to work then changes are going to be needed.
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Post by agl on Apr 9, 2024 11:49:07 GMT
Scunthorpe Buxton Kings Lynn South Shields Brackley Spennymoor Darlington Boston Hereford Tamworth All bigger budgets Well, the Curzon chairman reckons we are fifth biggest. Of the list above would you say that any, except Scunthorpe, have a substantially bigger budget than us? I don’t know, it’s a genuine question. I think that’s the key when we are looking at budget. If we are around and about in that group then, yes, our budget is competitive. If they are, say, £100k better off per season then you are looking at a 20 per cent better budget and obviously you’d expect those teams to do better. I guess we also need to be looking at the teams with a lower budget than us that are doing well, and ask what they are doing differently in terms of management, squad size, the loan market, playing style or recruitment. I think we all agree that the second half of this season hasn’t been good enough, irrespective of whether we sneak into the play offs or not.
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 9, 2024 11:52:32 GMT
Scunthorpe Buxton Kings Lynn South Shields Brackley Spennymoor Darlington Boston Hereford Tamworth All bigger budgets Well, the Curzon chairman reckons we are fifth biggest. Of the list above would you say that any, except Scunthorpe, have a substantially bigger budget than us? I don’t know, it’s a genuine question. I think that’s the key when we are looking at budget. If we are around and about in that group then, yes, our budget is competitive. If they are, say, £100k better off per season then you are looking at a 20 per cent better budget and obviously you’d expect those teams to do better. I guess we also need to be looking at the teams with a lower budget than us that are doing well, and ask what they are doing differently in terms of management, squad size, the loan market, playing style or recruitment. I think we all agree that the second half of this season hasn’t been good enough, irrespective of whether we sneak into the play offs or not. Don’t know about substantially with most of them but know Darlingtons was/is 2k a week more than ours.
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