cmbwa
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Post by cmbwa on Apr 23, 2024 20:09:34 GMT
Kieran Smith leaving Bala. Chester lad, absolute class act and stand out in that division. Won’t cost us a bomb wage wise either. Hahahaha. Nowhere near good enough for a team who wants to be promoted to the national league
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Post by borussiachester on Apr 23, 2024 20:18:29 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Apr 23, 2024 20:51:20 GMT
Forgive the obvious but if you keep to many of the squad we will finish somewhere between a 8th to mid table and more importantly have a far lower attendance by Christmas. Cal has to be ruthless and send out a message that he means business and so do our board. At the same time though, if we'd beaten South Shields and Curzon we'd have made the playoffs. It comes down to getting the players who can turn draws into wins. Last season's team was only 3-4 players at most different to this one, the most obvious being Willoughby. Tyrer has been pretty ably replaced by Stanway. Alex Kenyon is the only other one really, you don't hear him mentioned much but maybe underappreciated, especially given he's made the playoffs again with Curzon. There are definitely things that need changing, but it's not rip it up and start again for me. It needs to be smart changes rather than wholesale ones. That said, I'm surprised how many fans seem to think we need to keep that whole midfield together.
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Post by noddy on Apr 23, 2024 21:00:31 GMT
All teams can look back on dropped points over a season though, at the end of the day we have underachieved this season, and since Christmas have been devoid of goals, positive results and entertainment. Rip it up and start again (who sung that?) and I'd expect major changes to the squad personally for next season.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 23, 2024 21:03:25 GMT
All teams can look back on dropped points over a season though, at the end of the day we have underachieved this season, and since Christmas have been devoid of goals, positive results and entertainment. Rip it up and start again (who sung that?) and I'd expect major changes to the squad personally for next season. Orange Juice. Also did Blue Boy. I do think some people are being too loyal and generous about who we keep, but I don't necessarily think we need 8 or 9 new players. It could just be 3 or 4 who make a genuine difference to the team.
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Post by aiguy on Apr 23, 2024 21:08:31 GMT
Forgive the obvious but if you keep to many of the squad we will finish somewhere between a 8th to mid table and more importantly have a far lower attendance by Christmas. Cal has to be ruthless and send out a message that he means business and so do our board. At the same time though, if we'd beaten South Shields and Curzon we'd have made the playoffs. It comes down to getting the players who can turn draws into wins. Last season's team was only 3-4 players at most different to this one, the most obvious being Willoughby. Tyrer has been pretty ably replaced by Stanway. Alex Kenyon is the only other one really, you don't hear him mentioned much but maybe underappreciated, especially given he's made the playoffs again with Curzon. There are definitely things that need changing, but it's not rip it up and start again for me. It needs to be smart changes rather than wholesale ones. That said, I'm surprised how many fans seem to think we need to keep that whole midfield together. Exactly. The rip up and start again has been tried before and failed. Minor changes can make a big difference.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 23, 2024 21:12:47 GMT
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Post by brooklaneblue on Apr 23, 2024 21:20:00 GMT
Forgive the obvious but if you keep to many of the squad we will finish somewhere between a 8th to mid table and more importantly have a far lower attendance by Christmas. Cal has to be ruthless and send out a message that he means business and so do our board. At the same time though, if we'd beaten South Shields and Curzon we'd have made the playoffs. It comes down to getting the players who can turn draws into wins. Last season's team was only 3-4 players at most different to this one, the most obvious being Willoughby. Tyrer has been pretty ably replaced by Stanway. Alex Kenyon is the only other one really, you don't hear him mentioned much but maybe underappreciated, especially given he's made the playoffs again with Curzon. There are definitely things that need changing, but it's not rip it up and start again for me. It needs to be smart changes rather than wholesale ones. That said, I'm surprised how many fans seem to think we need to keep that whole midfield together. unfortunately league tables say it all, it doesn't matter who we beat. we failed to reach the play offs after being 3rd at mid season. Some players have not performed and we have too many injury prone players consuming our playing budget and offering nothing . I totally agree with you regarding Alex Kenyon, a leader on the pitch and a loss, never understood why he did not feature in the 22-23 play offs, I bet if he's fit Mahon will play him. On a positive note, my player of the season has been Stanway, slim chance he will stay.
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Post by noddy on Apr 23, 2024 21:22:16 GMT
All teams can look back on dropped points over a season though, at the end of the day we have underachieved this season, and since Christmas have been devoid of goals, positive results and entertainment. Rip it up and start again (who sung that?) and I'd expect major changes to the squad personally for next season. Orange Juice. Also did Blue Boy. I do think some people are being too loyal and generous about who we keep, but I don't necessarily think we need 8 or 9 new players. It could just be 3 or 4 who make a genuine difference to the team. Thanks for that! Well it should make for an interesting pre season for sure. Another arguement though could be made for players and even managers getting too comfortable at one football club, it certainly seemed that way towards the end of Bern & Jonno's tenure and certainly under McCarthy. Brackley might counteract that debate but they are probably the exception rather than the rule in terms of continuity Are we a soft touch for players as a football club? Do managers become to close to the players? Yes it's the end of season, just putting this up for debate.
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Post by whitey on Apr 23, 2024 23:16:30 GMT
Orange Juice. Also did Blue Boy. I do think some people are being too loyal and generous about who we keep, but I don't necessarily think we need 8 or 9 new players. It could just be 3 or 4 who make a genuine difference to the team. Thanks for that! Well it should make for an interesting pre season for sure. Another arguement though could be made for players and even managers getting too comfortable at one football club, it certainly seemed that way towards the end of Bern & Jonno's tenure and certainly under McCarthy. Brackley might counteract that debate but they are probably the exception rather than the rule in terms of continuity Are we a soft touch for players as a football club? Do managers become to close to the players? Yes it's the end of season, just putting this up for debate. Well there's no way Cal is too friendly with any of our players, or board members, or sponsors. Daft suggestion. He'll do well next season if he's taken some of his mistakes on board, as in any job could be the making of him in his future career.
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Post by miltongraham on Apr 24, 2024 8:53:30 GMT
Thanks for that! Well it should make for an interesting pre season for sure. Another arguement though could be made for players and even managers getting too comfortable at one football club, it certainly seemed that way towards the end of Bern & Jonno's tenure and certainly under McCarthy. Brackley might counteract that debate but they are probably the exception rather than the rule in terms of continuity Are we a soft touch for players as a football club? Do managers become to close to the players? Yes it's the end of season, just putting this up for debate. Well there's no way Cal is too friendly with any of our players, or board members, or sponsors. Daft suggestion. He'll do well next season if he's taken some of his mistakes on board, as in any job could be the making of him in his future career. The retained list will tell I reckon , I have always thought he favours the ex academy lads hence peers return , I agree about the board members ,
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Post by brooklaneblue on Apr 24, 2024 9:11:26 GMT
Thanks for that! Well it should make for an interesting pre season for sure. Another arguement though could be made for players and even managers getting too comfortable at one football club, it certainly seemed that way towards the end of Bern & Jonno's tenure and certainly under McCarthy. Brackley might counteract that debate but they are probably the exception rather than the rule in terms of continuity Are we a soft touch for players as a football club? Do managers become to close to the players? Yes it's the end of season, just putting this up for debate. Well there's no way Cal is too friendly with any of our players, or board members, or sponsors. Daft suggestion. He'll do well next season if he's taken some of his mistakes on board, as in any job could be the making of him in his future career. With respect i don't feel this, Cal will not drop or take off certain players even though when they are on a poor run of form, Weeks and Peers plus more. Other players are expendable Thomas, Murry even when they have played well and he has successfully subbed the MOTM a few times too. I like Cal but he shows a weakness with judgement.
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Post by vandycandy on Apr 24, 2024 9:58:12 GMT
All teams can look back on dropped points over a season though, at the end of the day we have underachieved this season, and since Christmas have been devoid of goals, positive results and entertainment. Rip it up and start again (who sung that?) and I'd expect major changes to the squad personally for next season. Orange Juice. Also did Blue Boy. I do think some people are being too loyal and generous about who we keep, but I don't necessarily think we need 8 or 9 new players. It could just be 3 or 4 who make a genuine difference to the team. Wasn't the lead singer Edwyn Collins? Haven't heard that song in years, remember having a good old bop to that back in the early 80s. Personally think we need more than 3 or 4 when you consider the number that could depart but I take your point.
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Post by leedsutd234 on Apr 24, 2024 10:14:27 GMT
Thanks for that! Well it should make for an interesting pre season for sure. Another arguement though could be made for players and even managers getting too comfortable at one football club, it certainly seemed that way towards the end of Bern & Jonno's tenure and certainly under McCarthy. Brackley might counteract that debate but they are probably the exception rather than the rule in terms of continuity Are we a soft touch for players as a football club? Do managers become to close to the players? Yes it's the end of season, just putting this up for debate. Well there's no way Cal is too friendly with any of our players, or board members, or sponsors. Daft suggestion. He'll do well next season if he's taken some of his mistakes on board, as in any job could be the making of him in his future career. Not a daft question at all.
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Post by waggoner on Apr 24, 2024 13:08:37 GMT
Well there's no way Cal is too friendly with any of our players, or board members, or sponsors. Daft suggestion. He'll do well next season if he's taken some of his mistakes on board, as in any job could be the making of him in his future career. The retained list will tell I reckon , I have always thought he favours the ex academy lads hence peers return , I agree about the board members , He needs to have learned about the tactics and team structure because if he starts the tippy happy shit next season it won’t be long before the fans are going to be on his back
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Apr 25, 2024 11:35:41 GMT
I think Stanway, Williams and Burke will be snapped up by NL/League 2 teams . All three deserve to play at a higher level, plus we might receive a little cash injection to support a team rebuild. I rate/would keep Woodthorpe, Heywood and Murray. Outside of that I’m a bit meh.😒 Will only be to teams with money. Stanway and Williams transfers will both demand development fees, and Burke we would be mad to let go for under £150k as he is under contract. Thomas, Glendon, Whitehouse, Coates, Burton, Hall, I'd release. I'd offer Kevin Roberts a reduced playing deal offset by a youth physio role, I'd offer Murray, Daly and Heywood extensions as squad players. If Kieron Burton was interested I'd look at him, his physicality is very good. I'd let Tollitt go if his wage demands are high. Large physical centre forward (Fondop seems to fit the profile, Dackers also), a couple of more physical centre mids, a right back, wide right, a centre half and probably a keeper. No summer holidays for Cal.
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Post by agl on Apr 25, 2024 14:50:41 GMT
I think Stanway, Williams and Burke will be snapped up by NL/League 2 teams . All three deserve to play at a higher level, plus we might receive a little cash injection to support a team rebuild. I rate/would keep Woodthorpe, Heywood and Murray. Outside of that I’m a bit meh.😒 Will only be to teams with money. Stanway and Williams transfers will both demand development fees, and Burke we would be mad to let go for under £150k as he is under contract. Thomas, Glendon, Whitehouse, Coates, Burton, Hall, I'd release. I'd offer Kevin Roberts a reduced playing deal offset by a youth physio role, I'd offer Murray, Daly and Heywood extensions as squad players. If Kieron Burton was interested I'd look at him, his physicality is very good. I'd let Tollitt go if his wage demands are high. Large physical centre forward (Fondop seems to fit the profile, Dackers also), a couple of more physical centre mids, a right back, wide right, a centre half and probably a keeper. No summer holidays for Cal. Never get the need for “squad players”. Usually means they are not good enough. Seem to recall McCarthy going down that route with the likes of Wade Joyce and Davies and we all know how that ended. Personally I’d rather see a smaller squad of quality players, all fighting for places, then use the loan market if necessary if we get a bad injury/injuries. Priority has to be up front…I’m hoping Caton will improve. Peers (under contract) might have to be a squad player😂.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Apr 25, 2024 15:13:59 GMT
Will only be to teams with money. Stanway and Williams transfers will both demand development fees, and Burke we would be mad to let go for under £150k as he is under contract. Thomas, Glendon, Whitehouse, Coates, Burton, Hall, I'd release. I'd offer Kevin Roberts a reduced playing deal offset by a youth physio role, I'd offer Murray, Daly and Heywood extensions as squad players. If Kieron Burton was interested I'd look at him, his physicality is very good. I'd let Tollitt go if his wage demands are high. Large physical centre forward (Fondop seems to fit the profile, Dackers also), a couple of more physical centre mids, a right back, wide right, a centre half and probably a keeper. No summer holidays for Cal. Never get the need for “squad players”. Usually means they are not good enough. Seem to recall McCarthy going down that route with the likes of Wade Joyce and Davies and we all know how that ended. Personally I’d rather see a smaller squad of quality players, all fighting for places, then use the loan market if necessary if we get a bad injury/injuries. Priority has to be up front…I’m hoping Caton will improve. Peers (under contract) might have to be a squad player😂. Really? You need cheaper players to cover injuries, you also need to give young players time to develop properly. To mention Murray, Daly and Heywood in the same breath as Wade Joyce and Luke Davies is frankly insulting to them. They are much better than that.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 25, 2024 16:23:33 GMT
Never get the need for “squad players”. Usually means they are not good enough. Seem to recall McCarthy going down that route with the likes of Wade Joyce and Davies and we all know how that ended. Personally I’d rather see a smaller squad of quality players, all fighting for places, then use the loan market if necessary if we get a bad injury/injuries. Priority has to be up front…I’m hoping Caton will improve. Peers (under contract) might have to be a squad player😂. Really? You need cheaper players to cover injuries, you also need to give young players time to develop properly. To mention Murray, Daly and Heywood in the same breath as Wade Joyce and Luke Davies is frankly insulting to them. They are much better than that. Right on both points. Having a small number of younger promising players on less money allows us to sign an equal number of quality players on higher wages.
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Post by rhodri on Apr 25, 2024 17:07:32 GMT
Never get the need for “squad players”. Usually means they are not good enough. Seem to recall McCarthy going down that route with the likes of Wade Joyce and Davies and we all know how that ended. Personally I’d rather see a smaller squad of quality players, all fighting for places, then use the loan market if necessary if we get a bad injury/injuries. Priority has to be up front…I’m hoping Caton will improve. Peers (under contract) might have to be a squad player😂. Really? You need cheaper players to cover injuries, you also need to give young players time to develop properly. To mention Murray, Daly and Heywood in the same breath as Wade Joyce and Luke Davies is frankly insulting to them. They are much better than that. IIRC Davies left us to join McCarthy at Southport (league below us at the time?) and then straight away loaned to a team further down the league ladder. From what I can tell Googling, Joyce is a scout now
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Post by wxmred on Apr 25, 2024 17:28:58 GMT
I don't post much on here these days, so please excuse me if I have missed anything already posted in this thread. Not seen a reply to this and I'm not sure where I remember hearing it from but I believe Liam Edwards had pneumonia and that was the reason he has been out of the match day squad since the turn of the year. Got to say there are some great reads in this thread.The vast majority wanting some major surgery to the squad, me included. I think there are players I would love to keep but will move on destined for bigger things. Stanway, Williams and I think Burkenbaur will also go for a fee which should help what I fear maybe a smaller budget. Acquisition of players last season was really poor but Cal has already accepted this and I'm sure he wont the same mistake again. Player retention was also questionable not sure certain players deserved a new contract just because the squad came 3rd last season. Moving back to this seasom The vast majority of Loan players were a disappointment however I've been impressed with Burton and given I expect we are going to have to over haul the defence I would gladly see him come back next season. The Glendon/Weeks scenario is like the Non League version of Gerrard and Lampard both excellent players in their own right but somehow they seem to be even better players when one or other is not on the pitch. A lot of said we should let Glendon go and no doubt there will be a host of admirers who will gladly snap him up. Radcliffe the obvious suitor. Given many have said Weeks did not have his best season this season probably because Glendon was available where as the season before he was unavailable. Not sure how this scenario will work out but I would be happy to keep both but only if we can afford it but given that in previous seasons Glendon has usually signed a new contract by now and the fact he hasn't whether that his down to him not being offered one or he has his head turned elsewhere we don't know but we will find out soon enough. The injury crisis at the club this season needs a closer look at given a lot of niggles kept decent players out for far longer than I would have expected. Is it down to training methods/the type of surface/ recovery facilities. I heard Cal talk about barriers to doing things this season that weren't there the season before and it would to get a better understanding of what he meant by that. From the very start of the season everyone was questioning how we would replace Willoughby's goals and that question was never answered and ultimately that is why we never made the play offs. Anyway who to keep, who I would like to stay and those that will need to move on. KEEP FOR SURE Weeks Caton Burke ( MAY GET SOLD UNFORTUNATELY) WOULD LOVE TO KEEP BUT ITS NOT HAPPENING Stanway Williams Glendon UNDER CONTRACT BUT IM NOT CONVINCED Peers OFFER A NEW CONTRACT Woodthorpe Murray Roberts ( one last hurrah tied in with additional physio duties to hopefully improve our injury record) Whitehouse OFFER THE CHANCE TO WIN A CONTRACT IF FITNESS IS PROVED Coates Edwards THANKS BUT NO THANKS Taylor Hall Heywood Thomas Norton Jake Burton Daly LOAN PLAYERS Burton impressed by his contribution in his time with us, definitely worth a conversation with with a view to next season. Tollit Certainly a player but not convinced he is a team player. Not for me
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Post by wxmred on Apr 25, 2024 17:31:42 GMT
Ben Tollitt out of contract at Oldham
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Post by waggoner on Apr 25, 2024 18:01:39 GMT
Ben Tollitt out of contract at Oldham I think he will go to another NL club
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Post by martyntrumpcaster on Apr 25, 2024 18:32:03 GMT
Ben Tollitt out of contract at Oldham I think he will go to another NL club Good player but I wouldn't want to use much of our budget on him.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 25, 2024 18:35:52 GMT
Yeah, not for me. Kind of an exciting player but not what we need to get out of this division.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 25, 2024 19:08:32 GMT
You don't want or need a whole team of physical bruisers. You want a balanced side and squad. Not every player needs to be 190cm tall and 100kg.
The physical players will help the skillful players to get on the ball and play their game. The skillful players will make the more limited physical players look better. It's called balance.
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Post by agl on Apr 26, 2024 15:29:41 GMT
You don't want or need a whole team of physical bruisers. You want a balanced side and squad. Not every player needs to be 190cm tall and 100kg. The physical players will help the skillful players to get on the ball and play their game. The skillful players will make the more limited physical players look better. It's called balance. Personally, think Tollitt would be a good signing if we can get the right players around him. Obviously it comes down to cost and what else we can get for the same money. Also doubt he'd want to come here as he wasn't exactly used well.
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Post by yossergolf on Apr 26, 2024 16:26:11 GMT
You don't want or need a whole team of physical bruisers. You want a balanced side and squad. Not every player needs to be 190cm tall and 100kg. The physical players will help the skillful players to get on the ball and play their game. The skillful players will make the more limited physical players look better. It's called balance. Personally, think Tollitt would be a good signing if we can get the right players around him. Obviously it comes down to cost and what else we can get for the same money. Also doubt he'd want to come here as he wasn't exactly used well. Tollitt, not for me, didn’t show enough for me in the time that he was with us, think that’s why he wasn’t an automatic starter. Yes we need the right balance between skills and physicality but physical players can also be skilful.
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Post by southernblue on Apr 28, 2024 12:18:57 GMT
Kieran Smith leaving Bala. Chester lad, absolute class act and stand out in that division. Won’t cost us a bomb wage wise either. Hahahaha. Nowhere near good enough for a team who wants to be promoted to the national league I went to the pre-season match in Bala, wasn't much difference in the quality of both teams, that evening at least.
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Post by southernblue on Apr 28, 2024 12:37:53 GMT
All teams can look back on dropped points over a season though, at the end of the day we have underachieved this season, and since Christmas have been devoid of goals, positive results and entertainment. Rip it up and start again (who sung that?) and I'd expect major changes to the squad personally for next season. That was Orange Juice. I love that it was the first song which came on the radio when I came out of the court a divorced man.
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