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Post by yoshimitsu on Apr 20, 2024 16:58:50 GMT
the best thing about today was hearing about a potential pre-season trip to the Isle of Man.
If this goes ahead it’d effectively be our European awayday and you can count me in!
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Post by deesideblue1 on Apr 20, 2024 17:13:38 GMT
In recent interviews Cal’s already sort of put his hands up and said this style of play and personnel hasn’t worked, so for me he’s good to go next season and we’ll hopefully recruit well.
Personally think we’re 3 starting players off it.
A commanding keeper to replace Stanway A 6 foot + holding centre mid to let Weeks and Glendon play. A physical centre forward to play in between Caton and Peers
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Post by rhodri on Apr 20, 2024 17:19:05 GMT
Pretty boring game with no clear cut chances for either teams to be honest. A few small pluses...
- Burton was a clear MOTM, would love to see him next year if he doesn't have a contract for next year at Hartlepool, but likely we wouldn't be able to match his wages - Weeks was slightly more effective in a more advanced role, just far too late in the season for this be effective. - Caton played one of his better games this season, but like everyone else seemed a bit shy to shoot. - Williams as a defensive mid seemed to work okay, not sure Roberts has the legs anymore to be back at right back though. - Woodthorpe did well on the left, there's a good player in the making there.
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Apr 20, 2024 17:32:05 GMT
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Post by agl on Apr 20, 2024 17:32:05 GMT
In recent interviews Cal’s already sort of put his hands up and said this style of play and personnel hasn’t worked, so for me he’s good to go next season and we’ll hopefully recruit well. Personally think we’re 3 starting players off it. A commanding keeper to replace Stanway A 6 foot + holding centre mid to let Weeks and Glendon play. A physical centre forward to play in between Caton and Peers Agree on recruitment. I know Peers is under contract but personally I'd try to move him on. Too much of a risk to go into another season with both of them, and at least Caton has age on his side. Peers isn't a bad player but he's not going to get any better and has never been a prolific scorer. On playing style, do we rip it all up and go with wingers? I don't see it happening?
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Post by waggoner on Apr 20, 2024 17:33:14 GMT
In recent interviews Cal’s already sort of put his hands up and said this style of play and personnel hasn’t worked, so for me he’s good to go next season and we’ll hopefully recruit well. Personally think we’re 3 starting players off it. A commanding keeper to replace Stanway A 6 foot + holding centre mid to let Weeks and Glendon play. A physical centre forward to play in between Caton and Peers I think we will need more than 3. I'm not sure that many of the out of contract players will want to stay. The loan players will be gone. We need some big units in defence, midfield and attack. We really need to get some wingers in. Wing backs just do not work, it often leads to 5 at the back. Less tippy tappy stuff because it just does not work. Wingers ball into the box. cause panic. We need height because we have lacked it for years. We just cannot complete with physical teams because we are too lightweight
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Post by Lobster on Apr 20, 2024 17:55:49 GMT
Thought the second half wasn't bad actually, but we still didn't look like scoring. Caton looked good when he came on. Peers and Tollitt were poor I thought. Tollitt looked like he was trying to win the game on his own but more often than not he just lost the ball. Not sure about him.
Weeks had one of his better games. Without wanting to reignite an old debate that often gets personal, we need to find a midfield that works next season, and given that Weeks is the one under contract, that might mean one or two undoubtedly talented midfielders have to go.
As others have said, it's not like there's anyone in this team who is clearly not good enough, but the balance obviously isn't right so it will have to be a summer of big and brave decisions.
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Apr 20, 2024 18:06:32 GMT
Post by Harry Lime on Apr 20, 2024 18:06:32 GMT
In recent interviews Cal’s already sort of put his hands up and said this style of play and personnel hasn’t worked, so for me he’s good to go next season and we’ll hopefully recruit well. Personally think we’re 3 starting players off it. A commanding keeper to replace Stanway A 6 foot + holding centre mid to let Weeks and Glendon play. A physical centre forward to play in between Caton and Peers We need more than 3. Assuming Stanway goes, agree we'll need a keeper. He'll be tough to replace. It's likely at least one of Burke or Williams will go. If not both of them. Even if they all stay we'll need more than 3. We need to create a different style of team, rather than tinkering around the edges. We need to be more direct and less possession based. An imposing experienced centre half who can talk and organise. We need 2 centre midfield players who have a physical presence. That allows Weeks to get on the ball and push forward. We need a wide player who can take men on and cross the ball into the box. A physical centre forward to play instead of Peers. Not with him. A pacy player to run behind the defence. We can then alternate them with Caton and the centre forward. We don't currently have the variety of player to change how we play in either midfield or attack. This needs to change. We can keep Murray and Heywood to provide squad cover. I'm guessing their combined wages equal one other player. This frees up a bit of budget for the striker(s).
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Apr 20, 2024 18:19:15 GMT
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Post by agl on Apr 20, 2024 18:19:15 GMT
In recent interviews Cal’s already sort of put his hands up and said this style of play and personnel hasn’t worked, so for me he’s good to go next season and we’ll hopefully recruit well. Personally think we’re 3 starting players off it. A commanding keeper to replace Stanway A 6 foot + holding centre mid to let Weeks and Glendon play. A physical centre forward to play in between Caton and Peers We need more than 3. Assuming Stanway goes, agree we'll need a keeper. He'll be tough to replace. It's likely at least one of Burke or Williams will go. If not both of them. Even if they all stay we'll need more than 3. We need to create a different style of team, rather than tinkering around the edges. We need to be more direct and less possession based. An imposing experienced centre half who can talk and organise. We need 2 centre midfield players who have a physical presence. That allows Weeks to get on the ball and push forward. We need a wide player who can take men on and cross the ball into the box. A physical centre forward to play instead of Peers. Not with him. A pacy player to run behind the defence. We can then alternate them with Caton and the centre forward. We don't currently have the variety of player to change how we play in either midfield or attack. This needs to change. We can keep Murray and Heywood to provide squad cover. I'm guessing their combined wages equal one other player. This frees up a bit of budget for the striker(s). Can't disagree with any of that. We should be doing everything we can to keep Burke. He's going to play at a higher level but no point going somewhere like Fylde. We do need a few bigger characters who aren't afraid to get on the ball at home when the crowd is restless. Anyone got Gary Brabin's number or, for those with longer memories, Stuart Hicks? I don't see much future for Murray in our midfield, where he's going to be bit part at best, but wonder whether he could be converted into a proper winger? Also think we need to be better in the loan market next season...bit underwhelming this.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 20, 2024 18:24:24 GMT
We need more than 3. Assuming Stanway goes, agree we'll need a keeper. He'll be tough to replace. It's likely at least one of Burke or Williams will go. If not both of them. Even if they all stay we'll need more than 3. We need to create a different style of team, rather than tinkering around the edges. We need to be more direct and less possession based. An imposing experienced centre half who can talk and organise. We need 2 centre midfield players who have a physical presence. That allows Weeks to get on the ball and push forward. We need a wide player who can take men on and cross the ball into the box. A physical centre forward to play instead of Peers. Not with him. A pacy player to run behind the defence. We can then alternate them with Caton and the centre forward. We don't currently have the variety of player to change how we play in either midfield or attack. This needs to change. We can keep Murray and Heywood to provide squad cover. I'm guessing their combined wages equal one other player. This frees up a bit of budget for the striker(s). Can't disagree with any of that. We should be doing everything we can to keep Burke. He's going to play at a higher level but no point going somewhere like Fylde. We do need a few bigger characters who aren't afraid to get on the ball at home when the crowd is restless. Anyone got Gary Brabin's number or, for those with longer memories, Stuart Hicks? I don't see much future for Murray in our midfield, where he's going to be bit part at best, but wonder whether he could be converted into a proper winger? Also think we need to be better in the loan market next season...bit underwhelming this. Agreed, but I'd argue the new signings in the summer were the real problem. None of them were any good. Except Woodthorpe who we actually loaned out.
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Apr 20, 2024 18:47:10 GMT
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Post by yossergolf on Apr 20, 2024 18:47:10 GMT
Where did Elliot Whitehouse disappear to?
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Apr 20, 2024 18:54:55 GMT
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Post by agl on Apr 20, 2024 18:54:55 GMT
Can't disagree with any of that. We should be doing everything we can to keep Burke. He's going to play at a higher level but no point going somewhere like Fylde. We do need a few bigger characters who aren't afraid to get on the ball at home when the crowd is restless. Anyone got Gary Brabin's number or, for those with longer memories, Stuart Hicks? I don't see much future for Murray in our midfield, where he's going to be bit part at best, but wonder whether he could be converted into a proper winger? Also think we need to be better in the loan market next season...bit underwhelming this. Agreed, but I'd argue the new signings in the summer were the real problem. None of them were any good. Except Woodthorpe who we actually loaned out. And yet we're going to hand over the budget again? I think he did try to spread it too thin, especially up front. A smaller squad is the way forward, with astute use of the loan market when necessary. What did happen to Whitehouse?
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Apr 20, 2024 18:59:34 GMT
Post by Harry Lime on Apr 20, 2024 18:59:34 GMT
I think Whitehouse got concussion and has had to follow recovery protocols.
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Apr 20, 2024 19:36:21 GMT
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Post by proudblue on Apr 20, 2024 19:36:21 GMT
Mirroring our own issues up front, I didn’t think Asante looked particularly threatening for them today compared to what we know he can be like. Believe he hasn’t scored a goal yet for Darlo, having been out injured yet again.
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Post by agl on Apr 20, 2024 19:40:37 GMT
I think Whitehouse got concussion and has had to follow recovery protocols. When he comes round, tell him he's Messi.
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Apr 20, 2024 19:44:47 GMT
Post by Anders on Apr 20, 2024 19:44:47 GMT
Mirroring our own issues up front, I didn’t think Asante looked particularly threatening for them today compared to what we know he can be like. Believe he hasn’t scored a goal yet for Darlo, having been out injured yet again. Cost them a fortune apparently. There were rumours that they are/were also paying for his accomodation up there as well.
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Apr 20, 2024 20:17:02 GMT
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Post by rhodri on Apr 20, 2024 20:17:02 GMT
Mirroring our own issues up front, I didn’t think Asante looked particularly threatening for them today compared to what we know he can be like. Believe he hasn’t scored a goal yet for Darlo, having been out injured yet again. Cost them a fortune apparently. There were rumours that they are/were also paying for his accomodation up there as well. He looked a shell of his former self today. Has definitely lost a bit of pace and strength. Good memories of him playing for us though, great goals return, that was when Jackon and Dudley were assist machines for him
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Post by arthuro on Apr 20, 2024 20:37:16 GMT
Where did Elliot Whitehouse disappear to? Hardly been a miss with his sideways and backwards passing and inability to tackle.
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Apr 20, 2024 21:06:27 GMT
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Post by martyntrumpcaster on Apr 20, 2024 21:06:27 GMT
Best chance was tolitt through basically 1 on 1 with keeper. Incredibly weak shot straight to keeper. That could've sparked the game into life.
But at least it was a nice sunny day.
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Apr 20, 2024 21:23:34 GMT
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Post by borussiachester on Apr 20, 2024 21:23:34 GMT
Is anyone really that arsed about today’s performance? It’s not as if winning would’ve got us anywhere - to me, it just seemed to be a game between two sides who knew there was nothing to play for and were happy to see out the season in rather inauspicious fashion.
Not exactly a scintillating performance from Darlo, but thought they had the makings of a very good side, and would expect them to be back challenging for the playoffs next season with Watson confirmed to be staying on. Sad to see what’s become of Asante these days - actually in better shape physically than I expected, but he was second to everything and his touch and what little pace he had have completely gone. Seems as though all the injuries have well and truly caught up with him, and if he’s serious about continuing his career for as long as he can and attempting to get back to any kind of form then he might have to drop down a couple of divisions. Nice of him to come over and take some applause from us at the end, though.
From our point of view, I don’t have a lot to say as I think everything has already been discussed to death in the last few days and weeks. Hopefully the retained list is published at some point in the next week, so we can begin to plan for next season - and so we can have something else to talk about beyond the batshit stuff that’s been posted on here recently!
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Apr 20, 2024 21:25:06 GMT
Post by Harry Lime on Apr 20, 2024 21:25:06 GMT
Thought the second half wasn't bad actually, but we still didn't look like scoring. Caton looked good when he came on. Peers and Tollitt were poor I thought. Tollitt looked like he was trying to win the game on his own but more often than not he just lost the ball. Not sure about him. Weeks had one of his better games. Without wanting to reignite an old debate that often gets personal, we need to find a midfield that works next season, and given that Weeks is the one under contract, that might mean one or two undoubtedly talented midfielders have to go. As others have said, it's not like there's anyone in this team who is clearly not good enough, but the balance obviously isn't right so it will have to be a summer of big and brave decisions. Agreed. It was noticeable that Weeks was pushing on and trying to get us moving forwards as the game went on. He was almost playing in there on his own at times, as Williams took time to settle in the holding role, Daly was invisible for large parts of the game, Thomas was pretty ineffective and Tollitt tried hard but didn't achieve too much. Caton showed how much of a miss he's been for large chunks of the season. We looked a lot better after he came on. He also gave Weeks and the rest a runner to hit and got us up the pitch.
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Apr 20, 2024 22:10:21 GMT
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Apr 20, 2024 22:10:21 GMT
As BChester has said there isn’t that much to say about today’s game a classic end of season irrelevant game. A lot of stuff has been done to death on here and elsewhere last couple of weeks or so . He knows what’s required and how we need to approach next season differently . Moving forward with the likelihood that many will not renew or purchase season tickets until they see news re signings etc. I’d suggest that the board keep the early bird offer for as long as possible on season tickets seems sensible to Me? On CFU memberships surely it’s reasonable to ask for £2 a month via direct debit as I’d of thought most would pay that which would nearly double what the current fee generates . Agreed retained list to be published asap . Good summer needed
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Apr 21, 2024 5:56:02 GMT
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Apr 21, 2024 5:56:02 GMT
Serious question, do people really wait and see what players the club have signed before renewing season tickets?
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Post by devadiva on Apr 21, 2024 6:36:58 GMT
the best thing about today was hearing about a potential pre-season trip to the Isle of Man. If this goes ahead it’d effectively be our European awayday and you can count me in! I thought the best thing about the day was the weather.
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Post by devadiva on Apr 21, 2024 6:38:55 GMT
Serious question, do people really wait and see what players the club have signed before renewing season tickets? I don’t and as those with STs around me are the same folk year on year I suspect most don’t either.
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Post by aiguy on Apr 21, 2024 6:57:11 GMT
Serious question, do people really wait and see what players the club have signed before renewing season tickets? No. I don’t see the desperation to learn the retained list. Once the manager has spoken to the players that he needs to then we’ll know. I’m sure he’ll do that as soon as he can. Got to respect players and management and this does not need to be rushed just to appease some impatient supporters. Seeing the names of the retained and later the names of signings does not necessarily make a promotion team.
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Apr 21, 2024 7:37:34 GMT
Post by Royal Blue on Apr 21, 2024 7:37:34 GMT
I think Whitehouse got concussion and has had to follow recovery protocols. When he comes round, tell him he's Messi. That rings a bell, was it Cloughie who came out with a similar line originally?
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Apr 21, 2024 7:41:27 GMT
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Post by agl on Apr 21, 2024 7:41:27 GMT
When he comes round, tell him he's Messi. That rings a bell, was it Cloughie who came out with a similar line originally? Clough, Harry Redknapp, also John Lambie of Partick Thistle. Take your pick. It's one of those apocryphal stories, I think.
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Apr 21, 2024 8:14:52 GMT
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Post by RonD on Apr 21, 2024 8:14:52 GMT
Where did Elliot Whitehouse disappear to? Last seen 23rd March v South Shields at home. Seems a long time for concussion protocol? Gone?
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Apr 21, 2024 8:20:08 GMT
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Post by eltonblues on Apr 21, 2024 8:20:08 GMT
Where did Elliot Whitehouse disappear to? Last seen 23rd March v South Shields at home. Seems a long time for concussion protocol? Gone? Spoke to someone who went to the open training session and he didn't recall seeing EW training.
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Apr 21, 2024 10:45:29 GMT
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Post by rhodri on Apr 21, 2024 10:45:29 GMT
Serious question, do people really wait and see what players the club have signed before renewing season tickets? There always be a larger % of season tickets who will renew regardless of signings/whichever division we're in, etc. I guess there will be a small proportion who may need a bit more convincing to renew or buy for the first time, probably a younger crowd I'd guess. For example, if hypothetically we didn't sign any new players and Cal said that our target for the new season won't be at least the play offs, that would likely deter a few additional season tickets being bought.
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