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Post by oldtimer on Mar 10, 2024 11:03:55 GMT
wrong again both of you you will watch anything in blue and white stripes that's mental What you waffling on about now đ you and a few others are a bit slow on the uptake we have been in this league for years ask yourself why or do you not have the mental capacity
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Post by Lobster on Mar 10, 2024 11:27:33 GMT
wrong again both of you you will watch anything in blue and white stripes that's mental What you waffling on about now đ Can we clean it up a bit please? I don't know why we're taking the piss out of people to go and watch us. Come on, you can debate it better than this.
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Post by bonecrusher on Mar 10, 2024 11:41:00 GMT
Dreadful attacking. Dreadful officiating.
Unfortunately neither of these were a surprise.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 10, 2024 11:44:09 GMT
Burton looks a real asset and very good in both boxâs , can see him scoring a couple from set pieces . We are a solid well organised outfit but we are a tough watch at times , I know teams sit in and itâs difficult but we donât create many chances at all for our forwards . Ball doesnât seem to stick up top and our delivery in the boxâs from wide areas is usually poor , I can understand why we start games being solid and hard to beat but the last 10/15 mins we dont go for it which Is the most frustrating thing like the tollit sub yesterday . We had a free kick just passed the halfway line at one point in the 1st half and I counted 7 players behind the ball ! I keep thinking back to last season and Kidderminster were exactly the same until the last 5/6 games and then it just seemed to click attacking wise and started to score goals , Itâs clear if we carry on as we are attacking wise we arenât getting promoted thatâs pretty obvious . I read an article yesterday that lumping the ball in the box doesn't work. In the PL I think it was goals from corners ie 'sticking it in the mixer' was around 2% in the PL. You get better percentages for a goal by the passing play we play. Same with shooting from outside the box. We have fans shouting shoot when someone like Glendon has a bobbling ball and 2 defenders in front of him. It's never going in. Admittedly with 20 minutes left, I would like to see us play more direct, but alot of space is created by these small passing plays instead of route one, onto a head (which we don't have) and it's out of play for a goal kick or a throw. That's in the Premier League, not sure the stats would be the same down here. Also, when I watch the Premier League it always seems like a lot of goals are conceded for the same reason - overplaying it at the back and losing the ball in bad areas. Don't disagree that some of our fans are too impatient though. The "shooooot" thing gets on my nerves!
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Post by Lobster on Mar 10, 2024 11:45:38 GMT
Draws arenât great but does it really matter in the long run? Assuming we get into the play offs, whether weâve won lots or drawn lots doesnât really matter. If it did, then the highest place team in the playoffs would always win. Which they donât. I don't doubt we'll make the playoffs. My concern is we can't draw our way to promotion. Not without getting better at penalties anyway!
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Post by Moltisanti on Mar 10, 2024 11:50:00 GMT
What you waffling on about now đ Can we clean it up a bit please? I don't know why we're taking the piss out of people to go and watch us. Come on, you can debate it better than this. Because I said heâs waffling on? Hardly wished death on the man
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 10, 2024 11:52:39 GMT
The officiating in most games is dreadful unfortunately our attempts at winning games are on a similar level
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Post by Curva Nord on Mar 10, 2024 11:58:41 GMT
I read an article yesterday that lumping the ball in the box doesn't work. In the PL I think it was goals from corners ie 'sticking it in the mixer' was around 2% in the PL. You get better percentages for a goal by the passing play we play. Same with shooting from outside the box. We have fans shouting shoot when someone like Glendon has a bobbling ball and 2 defenders in front of him. It's never going in. Admittedly with 20 minutes left, I would like to see us play more direct, but alot of space is created by these small passing plays instead of route one, onto a head (which we don't have) and it's out of play for a goal kick or a throw. That's in the Premier League, not sure the stats would be the same down here. Also, when I watch the Premier League it always seems like a lot of goals are conceded for the same reason - overplaying it at the back and losing the ball in bad areas. Don't disagree that some of our fans are too impatient though. The "shooooot" thing gets on my nerves! I'd hazard a guess they wouldn't be too far off, otherwise why would we be playing shorts? Again same article stated playing from the back you will concede, but the chances you get the other end far out weigh it. Frustrating for fans but players and managers want to win.
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Post by chesterken on Mar 10, 2024 12:24:56 GMT
Itâs the curse of the unbeaten run striking all over again.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 10, 2024 12:51:20 GMT
Can we clean it up a bit please? I don't know why we're taking the piss out of people to go and watch us. Come on, you can debate it better than this. Because I said heâs waffling on? Hardly wished death on the man It was more the previous comments and not just you I was saying it to.
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Post by brooklaneblue on Mar 10, 2024 13:07:52 GMT
Itâs because we worry too much about the opposition instead of letting them worry about us too true.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 10, 2024 15:18:08 GMT
Burton looks a real asset and very good in both boxâs , can see him scoring a couple from set pieces . We are a solid well organised outfit but we are a tough watch at times , I know teams sit in and itâs difficult but we donât create many chances at all for our forwards . Ball doesnât seem to stick up top and our delivery in the boxâs from wide areas is usually poor , I can understand why we start games being solid and hard to beat but the last 10/15 mins we dont go for it which Is the most frustrating thing like the tollit sub yesterday . We had a free kick just passed the halfway line at one point in the 1st half and I counted 7 players behind the ball ! I keep thinking back to last season and Kidderminster were exactly the same until the last 5/6 games and then it just seemed to click attacking wise and started to score goals , Itâs clear if we carry on as we are attacking wise we arenât getting promoted thatâs pretty obvious . I read an article yesterday that lumping the ball in the box doesn't work. In the PL I think it was goals from corners ie 'sticking it in the mixer' was around 2% in the PL. You get better percentages for a goal by the passing play we play. Same with shooting from outside the box. We have fans shouting shoot when someone like Glendon has a bobbling ball and 2 defenders in front of him. It's never going in. Admittedly with 20 minutes left, I would like to see us play more direct, but alot of space is created by these small passing plays instead of route one, onto a head (which we don't have) and it's out of play for a goal kick or a throw. I read something similar too. I would suggest if we had 7 men in front of the ball, then we might be able to play through their lines and create a chance, as opposed to playing it sideways and back. Our set piece thought process is poor at times. First half corners from Tollitt were excellent and mainly aimed at Burke, who nearly got in twice. Spencer who was marking him gets sent off, and the next 3 corners all went near post aimed nowhere near Burke. That's poor. Those short free kicks to a man surrounded by 4 players isnât smart either. It just goes bqckwards. We can't create much in normal slow sideway play, so not sure why we'd create much doing it even more. I get we want to control the centre of the pitch. But against the weaker sides they just drop off and low block. So you tend to get the centre of the pitch anyway. Our attacking throws are ineffective too. The strikers both come near leaving Glendon to run central. He's the most unlikely player to win a header on the pitch. When did we last create anything from one? If teams low block you need to go over them round them or through them. We don't have the height or players to go over them. We don't have wingers to go round them although Coates does. To go through them you need to play quickly. We should have sorted this over 30 plus home games in the last 2 seasons.
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Post by kyle on Mar 10, 2024 17:35:55 GMT
It's a fair point that lumping it into the box has a low chance of resulting in a goal statistically. However what we tend to do with free kicks is take it short, pass it sideways, then backwards for a defender or Stanway to hoof it forwards.
So it's usually hoofed forwards, but from further back and a worse angle than if we had just put it in the "mixer" in the first place
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Post by devadiva on Mar 10, 2024 19:42:46 GMT
This is spot on đ- drives me nuts.
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Post by johny9 on Mar 10, 2024 20:07:14 GMT
Yeah I seen the interview with the old Notts county manager about short corners and how statistically they were the most affective team from corners in the EFL but they also scored 100 league goals which means they were pretty good at creating chances with the ball where we donât create many clear cut chances from open play so when we have the chance to try something different and get the big lads up surely its worth putting the ball in the box.
Iâve noticed the atmosphere last couple of home games has been a bit flat aswel .
We had the best defensive record in the league last season and currently have the 2nd best this season , we also drawn the most games in the division last season and currently along with kings Lynn have the most draws this season. I think massive credit is due to cal for our defensive record but now we need that little bit more attacking wise . Apart from scoring one of the best feelings I get watching us is when we get right after the opposition and in their faces , getting the crowd pumped and causing the oppo to panic and kick the ball out or give it us with a loose pass . I would love to just go for it from minute 1 press oppositions and get the crowd going but maybe thatâs just PlayStation football ! COYB
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Post by johny9 on Mar 10, 2024 20:09:07 GMT
I know it didnât work yesterday too well but I thought recently our corners when we roll it to another player who then whips it in have been good . Itâs easier to whip in a rolling ball than a stationary one and it gets 2 of their players out the box .
Kidderminster last year scored 49 goals after 46 games we have scored 47 after 38.
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Post by noddy on Mar 10, 2024 21:02:43 GMT
Yeah I seen the interview with the old Notts county manager about short corners and how statistically they were the most affective team from corners in the EFL but they also scored 100 league goals which means they were pretty good at creating chances with the ball where we donât create many clear cut chances from open play so when we have the chance to try something different and get the big lads up surely its worth putting the ball in the box. Iâve noticed the atmosphere last couple of home games has been a bit flat aswel . We had the best defensive record in the league last season and currently have the 2nd best this season , we also drawn the most games in the division last season and currently along with kings Lynn have the most draws this season. I think massive credit is due to cal for our defensive record but now we need that little bit more attacking wise . Apart from scoring one of the best feelings I get watching us is when we get right after the opposition and in their faces , getting the crowd pumped and causing the oppo to panic and kick the ball out or give it us with a loose pass . I would love to just go for it from minute 1 press oppositions and get the crowd going but maybe thatâs just PlayStation football ! COYB Iâve noticed the atmosphere last couple of home games has been a bit flat aswel .
I've also noticed that myself the last 2 home games, very flat, limited atmosphere. I know it's a mutual thing but the players need to give the crowd more to shout about for 90 minutes, it's as if everyone is bored and accepting what they are about to watch.
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Post by Curva Nord on Mar 10, 2024 21:17:06 GMT
I have a feeling we almost have two sets of fans, some who just goto home games, and some who solely do aways
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Post by Curva Nord on Mar 10, 2024 21:19:51 GMT
Yeah I seen the interview with the old Notts county manager about short corners and how statistically they were the most affective team from corners in the EFL but they also scored 100 league goals which means they were pretty good at creating chances with the ball where we donât create many clear cut chances from open play so when we have the chance to try something different and get the big lads up surely its worth putting the ball in the box. Iâve noticed the atmosphere last couple of home games has been a bit flat aswel . We had the best defensive record in the league last season and currently have the 2nd best this season , we also drawn the most games in the division last season and currently along with kings Lynn have the most draws this season. I think massive credit is due to cal for our defensive record but now we need that little bit more attacking wise . Apart from scoring one of the best feelings I get watching us is when we get right after the opposition and in their faces , getting the crowd pumped and causing the oppo to panic and kick the ball out or give it us with a loose pass . I would love to just go for it from minute 1 press oppositions and get the crowd going but maybe thatâs just PlayStation football ! COYB Out of interest for how many minutes do you think a team can sustain that, and not leave themselves exposed at the back? As I'd imagine it is a physically demanding way to play. Defensively I can't fault us at all. It is obvious from the way we play, we're missing He Who Must Not Be Named, and we haven't replaced him, yet
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Post by noddy on Mar 10, 2024 21:25:05 GMT
I have a feeling we almost have two sets of fans, some who just goto home games, and some who solely do aways Maybe so yes. I only go to home games personally.
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Post by johny9 on Mar 10, 2024 21:36:59 GMT
I know it's unrealistic and impossible to play like that for 90 minutes even for Man City let alone 6th tier teams it was more of general example of just going after teams more .
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Post by chesterken on Mar 10, 2024 22:58:35 GMT
I know it's unrealistic and impossible to play like that for 90 minutes even for Man City let alone 6th tier teams it was more of general example of just going after teams more . We normally start games on the front foot but when we score we usually take our foot off the gas and try to win the game 1-0, the Spennymoor game was a fine example of this Their Manager said âWe were not at the races in the first half and were lucky to still be in the game at 1-0, BUT THEY DROPPED OFF US AND THIS GAVE US A CHANCE TO GET A FOOTHOLD IN THE GAMEâ. Didnât say they changed things around just that we eased off after going in front. It sort of sums up how we play if you go into games frightened of losing the chances are your not going to win, our results are certainly not down to a lack of effort as we do work very hard we just need to believe we are better than most teams in this league.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 11, 2024 8:25:21 GMT
Yeah I seen the interview with the old Notts county manager about short corners and how statistically they were the most affective team from corners in the EFL but they also scored 100 league goals which means they were pretty good at creating chances with the ball where we donât create many clear cut chances from open play so when we have the chance to try something different and get the big lads up surely its worth putting the ball in the box. Iâve noticed the atmosphere last couple of home games has been a bit flat aswel . We had the best defensive record in the league last season and currently have the 2nd best this season , we also drawn the most games in the division last season and currently along with kings Lynn have the most draws this season. I think massive credit is due to cal for our defensive record but now we need that little bit more attacking wise . Apart from scoring one of the best feelings I get watching us is when we get right after the opposition and in their faces , getting the crowd pumped and causing the oppo to panic and kick the ball out or give it us with a loose pass . I would love to just go for it from minute 1 press oppositions and get the crowd going but maybe thatâs just PlayStation football ! COYB Out of interest for how many minutes do you think a team can sustain that, and not leave themselves exposed at the back? As I'd imagine it is a physically demanding way to play. Defensively I can't fault us at all. It is obvious from the way we play, we're missing He Who Must Not Be Named, and we haven't replaced him, yet We could put more pressure on the opposing teams by having ball boys round the pitch throwing the ball back on quickly. Bern and Jonno had this and it really increased the tempo, got the crowd up and often the opposing players wilted under the pressure. Now the ball goes out and it takes 45 seconds to get the game restarted. Pressure relieved. Especially when we throw it backwards and restart from the back. We've got 5 or 6 teams in the youth set up so shouldn't be too difficult to get a few ball boys from that lot.
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Post by moldcestrian on Mar 11, 2024 8:35:26 GMT
Out of interest for how many minutes do you think a team can sustain that, and not leave themselves exposed at the back? As I'd imagine it is a physically demanding way to play. Defensively I can't fault us at all. It is obvious from the way we play, we're missing He Who Must Not Be Named, and we haven't replaced him, yet We could put more pressure on the opposing teams by having ball boys round the pitch throwing the ball back on quickly. Bern and Jonno had this and it really increased the tempo, got the crowd up and often the opposing players wilted under the pressure. Now the ball goes out and it takes 45 seconds to get the game restarted. Pressure relieved. Especially when we throw it backwards and restart from the back. We've got 5 or 6 teams in the youth set up so shouldn't be too difficult to get a few ball boys from that lot. To be fair this isnât a bad point at all. Iâve noticed in a lot of home games you have players having to go retrieve a ball 20-30 yards away, who sometimes climb into the south stand even to get the ball. Does kill the pace of play youâre right, but surely Cal would have them if he wanted?
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Post by Moltisanti on Mar 11, 2024 8:44:33 GMT
Out of interest for how many minutes do you think a team can sustain that, and not leave themselves exposed at the back? As I'd imagine it is a physically demanding way to play. Defensively I can't fault us at all. It is obvious from the way we play, we're missing He Who Must Not Be Named, and we haven't replaced him, yet We could put more pressure on the opposing teams by having ball boys round the pitch throwing the ball back on quickly. Bern and Jonno had this and it really increased the tempo, got the crowd up and often the opposing players wilted under the pressure. Now the ball goes out and it takes 45 seconds to get the game restarted. Pressure relieved. Especially when we throw it backwards and restart from the back. We've got 5 or 6 teams in the youth set up so shouldn't be too difficult to get a few ball boys from that lot. Surely wouldnât be short of volunteers either. Iâd have loved to have done it as a kid.
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Post by bluegazza on Mar 11, 2024 9:35:08 GMT
Basically we're not scoring enough goals, and draws alone will not get us into the playoffs.
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Post by sealking on Mar 11, 2024 18:59:08 GMT
We are a very difficult team to beat but also very easy side to defend against. Its frustrating because we have some really good attacking players but our game play and style prevents us pushing teams back to their box.
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Post by leedsutd234 on Mar 11, 2024 20:16:29 GMT
We've played Curzon 6 times now at the Deva since we reformed and only won once.
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Post by cestrian60 on Mar 11, 2024 21:34:22 GMT
Thought Craig Mahon came across very good in his post match interview, hopefully he continues to do well.
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Post by whitey on Mar 12, 2024 0:07:27 GMT
We could put more pressure on the opposing teams by having ball boys round the pitch throwing the ball back on quickly. Bern and Jonno had this and it really increased the tempo, got the crowd up and often the opposing players wilted under the pressure. Now the ball goes out and it takes 45 seconds to get the game restarted. Pressure relieved. Especially when we throw it backwards and restart from the back. We've got 5 or 6 teams in the youth set up so shouldn't be too difficult to get a few ball boys from that lot. Surely wouldnât be short of volunteers either. Iâd have loved to have done it as a kid. No shortage of kids wanting to do it but it has to managed by a 'volunteer' adult. My lad used to do it when it was managed by the now sadly deceased Pete Newman and it hasn't really seemed to have been seen since then although we do have some young un's doing their best.
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