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Post by Lobster on May 17, 2018 9:25:13 GMT
To his credit I think it's a good, honest statement from him, although as has been said, it's surprising that people who have made a fortune from their business can be so clueless and lacking in common sense when it comes to football. Basing so much of their operations in Manchester gives them an element of being a franchise club rather than the pillar of the local community that clubs should be. Barrow's isolated location does pose them a few challenges, but it also gives them a huge catchment area for both players and supporters. I think Barrow are one of those clubs a bit like us, where bad things just seem to happen to them. As a result, their fans get a bit excited when someone turns up with a bit of money and they tend to enjoy the short-term ride without asking too many questions. We're also seeing that with one or two of our fans who seem to want Stuart Murphy's investment to be spunked on the playing budget. We need to run the club with our heads as well as our hearts and realise that infrastructure and patience is the route to long-term success. I dodn't think anyone is suggesting that huge amounts should be pumped into the playing budget, but there has to be a recognition that next year's playing budget is far from competitive. We can win youth cups, improve the community side etc all we like, but the future of the club depends on the success of the first team. And teams like Macc that punch above their weight are the exception....playing budget is directly related to league position. Sutton, given as another example, had a massive Cup run so they are hardly relevant. I'm not saying we ignore infrastructure but it's a balancing act. I think it's very relevant. They weren't handed a Cup run by a benefactor, they earned it themselves. There's no reason why we can't have a Cup run if we could stop turning up at places like Kidderminster and Altrincham looking like we'd rather be somewhere else.
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Post by agl on May 17, 2018 9:33:52 GMT
Let's be realistic - we haven't had a proper cup run since 2001. And we will be starting a round earlier this season. Just to get to the first round we will have to win two games. My point was that Sutton are living off the £million plus they made, so not punching above their weight. Agree though that it would be a start if we don't throw the towel in at the first attempt for a change.
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Post by Al on May 17, 2018 9:43:40 GMT
I think people using Sutton as an example forget that they have a 3G pitch which can be hired out and bring a significant amount of money into the club, which in turn can be reinvested in the first team.
The Cup run they has obviously helped them in the last 12 months. but then again it remains to be seen how long they can sustain that level of playing budget before they have to cut costs accordingly.
Blowing more money than we are bringing in is a massive no.
We have to be entirely about sustainable growth. Investment put into 3G pitch facilities for hire behind the Harry McNally Terrace. Investment in more function rooms, and or/conferencing/meeting room facilities for hire.
All of which (if run correctly) would bring in money from the club outside match days which would allow any additional spend on the playing budget to be sustainable.
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Post by Lobster on May 17, 2018 9:44:29 GMT
Let's be realistic - we haven't had a proper cup run since 2001. And we will be starting a round earlier this season. Just to get to the first round we will have to win two games. My point was that Sutton are living off the £million plus they made, so not punching above their weight. Agree though that it would be a start if we don't throw the towel in at the first attempt for a change. Agree. I think it's two rounds now earlier, actually. 2nd Qualifying Round.
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Post by histsci on May 17, 2018 10:41:40 GMT
I must be in a very small minority here, but here goes anyway.
KJ was an absolute star for us in his first spell, I honestly don't think the problem was with the player, but more the style of manager in his second spell. I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt under the new pairing, he wont get an easy ride with those two that's for sure. You don't become a crap player overnight without some underlying factors.
He was good up until Christmas in his first spell then went off the boil. Had a few things going on though at home with his mum being unwell and that though so I can excuse him for that. Whether he was good or not this season just gone, the size and shape of our budget next season means we can't afford to keep him here. We're reverting to part time, and with both Kingsley and Ross being on full time contracts... Not going to work He did play quite a lot of last season on the wing, which is clearly not his position. He did ok at plugging gaps, but his form suffered and he wasn't as effective when playing in the centre. If he was on a reasonable wage I wouldn't mind him staying but he isn't, so as Al says, needs to go.
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Post by avfo on May 17, 2018 12:33:24 GMT
Let's be realistic - we haven't had a proper cup run since 2001. And we will be starting a round earlier this season. Just to get to the first round we will have to win two games. My point was that Sutton are living off the £million plus they made, so not punching above their weight. Agree though that it would be a start if we don't throw the towel in at the first attempt for a change. Agree. I think it's two rounds now earlier, actually. 2nd Qualifying Round. On the flipside if the FA are true to their word - prize money to be more than doubled, then getting to the 1st round proper would be worth around £50,000 in prize money alone.
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Post by devablue on May 17, 2018 12:49:27 GMT
I think people using Sutton as an example forget that they have a 3G pitch which can be hired out and bring a significant amount of money into the club, which in turn can be reinvested in the first team. The Cup run they has obviously helped them in the last 12 months. but then again it remains to be seen how long they can sustain that level of playing budget before they have to cut costs accordingly. Blowing more money than we are bringing in is a massive no. We have to be entirely about sustainable growth. Investment put into 3G pitch facilities for hire behind the Harry McNally Terrace. Investment in more function rooms, and or/conferencing/meeting room facilities for hire. All of which (if run correctly) would bring in money from the club outside match days which would allow any additional spend on the playing budget to be sustainable. If we could get a 4G training pitch next to the stadium which all teams could use and also rent out to the public/public teams that would be the ideal scenario imo.
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Post by MOC on May 18, 2018 10:19:21 GMT
I see the manager Ady Pennock has left Barrow. Who they bring in as his replacement may offer a bit of an indication into how ambitious they now are.
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Post by Hannibal on May 18, 2018 10:26:18 GMT
Let's be realistic - we haven't had a proper cup run since 2001. And we will be starting a round earlier this season. Just to get to the first round we will have to win two games. My point was that Sutton are living off the £million plus they made, so not punching above their weight. Agree though that it would be a start if we don't throw the towel in at the first attempt for a change. I think Sutton used some of their cup run money to subsidise cheaper season tickets.
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Post by Hannibal on May 18, 2018 10:28:10 GMT
Let's be realistic - we haven't had a proper cup run since 2001. And we will be starting a round earlier this season. Just to get to the first round we will have to win two games. My point was that Sutton are living off the £million plus they made, so not punching above their weight. Agree though that it would be a start if we don't throw the towel in at the first attempt for a change. Agree. I think it's two rounds now earlier, actually. 2nd Qualifying Round. That's right Lobster ~~~ you have to win 3 games to reach the first round.
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Post by Lobster on May 18, 2018 10:34:32 GMT
Agree. I think it's two rounds now earlier, actually. 2nd Qualifying Round. That's right Lobster ~~~ you have to win 3 games to reach the first round. Doesn't bode too well given that we haven't won a single one since 2014! Still, new beginnings and all that.
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Post by Arthur's Carpet slipper on May 18, 2018 10:44:41 GMT
I see the manager Ady Pennock has left Barrow. Who they bring in as his replacement may offer a bit of an indication into how ambitious they now are. Mad Macca could do a job :-) They are probably looking for a CEO to help them restructure and spend money more wisely as well based on the communications this week.....Maguire is a lose end :-)
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Post by bethnalblue on May 18, 2018 15:48:22 GMT
Let's be realistic - we haven't had a proper cup run since 2001. And we will be starting a round earlier this season. Just to get to the first round we will have to win two games. My point was that Sutton are living off the £million plus they made, so not punching above their weight. Agree though that it would be a start if we don't throw the towel in at the first attempt for a change. I think Sutton used some of their cup run money to subsidise cheaper season tickets. Yeah they did £99 last season for an Adult. Next Season £139 for renewal or £159 for 1st time buyers
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Post by cfcforme on May 19, 2018 10:38:52 GMT
....playing budget is directly related to league position. Can't wait to see your evidence to back that up.....
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Post by avfo on Jun 1, 2018 20:16:32 GMT
I see the manager Ady Pennock has left Barrow. Who they bring in as his replacement may offer a bit of an indication into how ambitious they now are. Barrow have re-appointed Paul Ogden as Chief Scout meanwhile Managing Director Andrew Casson explains their recruitment strategy as they look to appoint the clubs fourth manager in twelve months. Extracts from interviews with local press - “With the guys currently on the books, you’re looking at 12 players right now. We’d look to have 16 or 17 in before the start of pre-season, so that’s only four or five to go. It’s easy to think that we’re behind the eight ball because we have all these guys on the transfer list, but they’re still our players and we’re planning for life with them not without them. We’ve got a solid base which we can work from and it’s about finding the manager that fits that group and then bringing in another seven or eight guys to complement it.” On the search for the new manager Casson jr stated-
“Unless they have demonstrated a lot of success at different levels, we’ve shied away from some of the more traditional names you might have seen in the past.” “I’ve spoken with five candidates so far and I have another six or seven to have an initial conversation with, (25 people originally applied for the job according to AC) then we will cut that down to the top three or four for the shortlist, and then have another interview, either with another director, the chairman, or Paul Ogden, to make sure there is an agreement on who is the best". "It was a combination of looking at the depth at whatever level of the game they had been at, and then almost the length of time in the game in reverse. We’re trying to find people who are newer to the game, who understand the way the modern game works and the way the modern footballer thinks, people who have different ideas about to manage those different types of personality. The conversations we have had so far with the managerial candidates have pretty much been about them personally – what are their values, what is their work ethic, what do they bring to the table, and how do they see themselves fitting in with the new way of working that Barrow AFC is going to undertake". “It’s more of a situation where we’re finding guys – players and management – to fit a particular attitude and ethic, rather than fitting with a playing style, a formation, or anything like that". “At the end of the day, with the management team, if we can get 25 or 26 individuals who are all working hard, being honest and getting value for money, then everything else can be taught or trained.”
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Post by MPW on Jun 2, 2018 9:15:37 GMT
That Casson reminds me of Terry Smith, a control freak! I can only see Barrow struggling again next season.
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